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Thread: Why you should consider HPDE over AutoX

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    Why should one be prepared to leave their car at the track? (Very novice on track knowledge as ive never been)


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    It doesn't have to have a nut on the outside. Many are short, but I often try to find long ones that sometimes have a bend in them.
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    Why you should consider HPDE over AutoX

    I think you should be prepared to leave it there. Not saying it will happen but it could. Things break and go wrong and will most likely happen when pushing the car. Be prepared in case it does. But everyone should do a HPDE and you should not have anything to worry about. As you do more of them and push the car you will find the weak points. I found mine and it was the brakes, which I have since fixed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grinder34 View Post
    See, thats what annoys me--the stereotypes about track days. Its no more true for HPDE than it is for AutoX.
    It is somewhat applicable to Auto-x. However serious damage at 40mph in the middle of a parking lot is unlikely. I'm not saying it can't happen! If you lose control of a car at 100+mph it is unlikely that serious damage will not occur. Insurance will not cover this damage unless you have opted for motorsports coverage.


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    Yeah, you're right. There is more risk of serious damage when at a track vs autox. But many tracks are designed with appropriate run-off areas, and spins are just spins into the grass or gravel. There are always few turns where serious damage can occur, but I (and I think most people) take it a bit easier in those corners as a margin of safety since nobody's racing and shaving 1/2 second in that corner is meaningless at an HPDE. At all the events I've been to, there has never been a serious accident among the first two run groups (novice, intermediate, and expert).

    And depnding on the auto-x, there can be curbs, light poles, etc... that can mangle a car pretty well. But in defense of auto-x a) you're usually not going as fast and b) courses are designed to minimize the risks of obstacles. But a quick youtube video will reveal that accidents do happen.


    Basically, most motorsport-related accidents happen when trying to drive at 10/10ths on all portions of the track, in an attempt to win. In a relaxed enviornment of a HPDE, I think that the subconscious pressure to eke out a little extra performance is negated and people's fear of crashing takes higher precedence. There are many places on tracks where I know I could go faster, but have no desire to do so.

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    Absolutely. There have been a few times that I've wanted to choke the guys that set up the cones. They'd warn everyone and walk the course, highlighting the dangerous places, but many were so unbelievably stupid (like having a gate 4 feet from a concrete wall) that someone should have been choked (especially when people have hit that wall in the past and many get close every time).
    You're right, Grinder. There are some very safe and forgiving tracks out there with a lot of grass to slide off into, Gingerman is like that in W. Michigan.

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    Oh also: Street tires are safe! Many people, when doing auto-x or actual racing on a circuit, are using race tires. Race tires are GREAT, in that they have phenomenal grip, but they dont have the feedback characteristics of a street tire. Street tires start squealing and sliding, losing grip gracefully. Race tires provide much more grip, but can break away suddenly. I think that may contribute to the higher number of incidents you see with totalled cars at race tracks, or the accidents in "expert" run groups at HPDE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IGOTASTi View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batmobile_Engage View Post
    There are some very safe and forgiving tracks out there with a lot of grass to slide off into, Gingerman is like that in W. Michigan.

    Ever dontegrattan? I havent, but the description has me terrified:

    Grattan is a 2.2-mile track, with 11 flag stations and 13 or 14 turns (depending on how fast you are going). There is significant elevation change. Every turn is blind, or off-camber, or changes direction abruptly at the exit, or has a significant elevation or camber change in the turn or in the braking area immediately before, or must be taken off the 'normal' line to set up for the following corner.

    Or exhibits two of these conditions.

    Or more.

    Some competitors claim that Grattan was designed by an individual who had a clear understanding of the limits of racing cars and a pathological hatred of racing car drivers.



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    Hm.... Didn't know race comp tires don't squeal..... When I hear my tires squeal, I am prepared to counter anything that might unfold in the upcoming seconds.... Hearing that race tires can break away suddenly is quite shocking... So you need a lot of practice and anticipation/preparation for when the race tires are about to break loose?


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    It doesn't have to have a nut on the outside. Many are short, but I often try to find long ones that sometimes have a bend in them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Batmobile_Engage View Post
    I don't need another reason to dig through 4 layers of clothes to whip the sea monster out in 0 degree weather.

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    Damn...I'm gonna have to look up some videos from Grattan now.

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